Jack Murray AT&T: So,
Jack Murray AT&T: This is jack Murray.
Jack Murray AT&T: Today is June 3 2020
Jack Murray AT&T: This is the Orion software community weekly TLC meeting we record this meeting. If anyone has any concerns.
Jack Murray AT&T: You know you can raise them or or choose not to participate. We record the meetings and post them along with the minutes from each meeting.
Jack Murray AT&T: With that, I'll go ahead and do a roll call object Mary Jean Marie.
Jack Murray AT&T: I believe has a conflict this morning.
Jack Murray AT&T: We Chen, you're here.
Jack Murray AT&T: So you're you're his ultimate
Jack Murray AT&T: Thank you.
Jack Murray AT&T: David
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay, she's usually a couple minutes late.
Jack Murray AT&T: Last song.
Masafumi Masuda: Yes. Hey,
Masafumi Masuda: This is coming from.
Thank you.
Jack Murray AT&T: Will you
William Diego (Orange): Again, this is William
Jack Murray AT&T: Mishra
Jack Murray AT&T: Who has ha
Juha Oravainen (Nokia): Yes, hello.
Ganesh Radisys (WG8): Good.
Ganesh Radisys (WG8): Morning jack hi everyone is good.
Jack Murray AT&T: AND JOHN PAUL
John-Paul Lane : Morning jack Hello buddy.
John-Paul Lane : Okay.
Jack Murray AT&T: We have enough for quorum.
Jack Murray AT&T: Will continue
Jack Murray AT&T: The next step is the
Jack Murray AT&T: It's the previous meeting.
Jack Murray AT&T: So this is a you know approval for the minute of the May 27 2020 meeting.
Jack Murray AT&T: We have here the notes taken by parking. Thank you for him and then
Jack Murray AT&T: If there's any questions corrections.
Jack Murray AT&T: Changes, please let me know.
Jack Murray AT&T: Alright. With that, I asked someone to make a motion to accept the minutes.
John-Paul Lane : Attack john paul here. I'm a commotion.
Thank you.
Jack Murray AT&T: Check it.
weichen cmcc: Which. This is the second
Jack Murray AT&T: Thank you. All those in favor, say aye.
Ganesh Radisys (WG8): Nice.
Jack Murray AT&T: Day.
Jack Murray AT&T: Thank you for approving the Minutes.
Jack Murray AT&T: Let's
Jack Murray AT&T: Get on to. Does anyone have any items to add to today's agenda.
Juha Oravainen (Nokia): Yes.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Sorry.
Juha Oravainen (Nokia): discussing about this next
Juha Oravainen (Nokia): Week's virtual face to face meetings, and I think it was for for a who's who got
A which
Juha Oravainen (Nokia): I think that's missing from the actual published
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Jack Murray AT&T: Okay.
Jack Murray AT&T: I think
Jack Murray AT&T: I haven't been that much involved in setting up it, it's mostly been jewelry.
Jack Murray AT&T: As anywhere else but involved.
Jack Murray AT&T: Alright.
Jack Murray AT&T: Please send a note copy me and
Jack Murray AT&T: We'll try to get that done.
Jack Murray AT&T: For him, has there been any if you got any information about how to post some information about the meeting.
Farheen Cefalu AT&T : Now jack. I do not have information for the meeting.
Farheen Cefalu AT&T : Now is this further virtual meeting the virtual exhibition
Jack Murray AT&T: Know this, this is the replacement for the face to face.
Jack Murray AT&T: Meeting. I've seen schedules.
Jack Murray AT&T: And I've seen those
Jack Murray AT&T: That information passing through
Jack Murray AT&T: Our old seminar to January, and we'll see if we can get more information and get it straightened out
David Kinsey (AT&T): And get the spreadsheet off of the
David Kinsey (AT&T): Alliance page.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Yeah, I think we can just post the spreadsheet up here.
Jack Murray AT&T: Can you grab that and send that over to 14 and she can post it on the vets.
Yeah.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Yeah, I think I have. I don't have the latest well check. Check one more item I think Vishnu, he is here from it you. He wants like 510 minutes to just talk about a it was a challenge ML challenge I
Rittwik Jana ATT: Asked for him to enter something here. Maybe it is already there. Just wanted to make sure it's in
Farheen Cefalu AT&T : Like I didn't enter it.
Farheen Cefalu AT&T : I'm sorry.
Rittwik Jana ATT: You can just decide to mo challenge.
Juha Oravainen (Nokia): Yeah I quickly check the load on our last page and then you can find the
Juha Oravainen (Nokia): Agenda. Excellent. So I just put the link
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay.
Jack Murray AT&T: Very good.
Jack Murray AT&T: Anyone else with a theme for today's agenda. I have a couple, but we'll get to them as we go along.
Jack Murray AT&T: Alright releases votes approvals. All right, we're getting close to the decision based on our bronze release.
Jack Murray AT&T: You know the target date is
Jack Murray AT&T: June 15 so a big issue coming up for next week's meeting as the vote on approving the release.
Jack Murray AT&T: The that'll be followed by a press release. I have seen Subic from the urban alliance with a with a draft.
Jack Murray AT&T: Of the information for the release. I will
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, asked. Several people asked for supporting statements.
Jack Murray AT&T: Please reach out to Zimmer, the key handles. He's handling the PR for this release.
Jack Murray AT&T: The EC is good to have
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, kind of a joint
Jack Murray AT&T: Some additional material. In addition, so it will be kind of
Jack Murray AT&T: Some other highlights as well on on the release. They're trying to you know bundle things a little bit together.
Jack Murray AT&T: So the companies that have
Jack Murray AT&T: Statements.
Jack Murray AT&T: If anyone, doesn't know how to, you know, have Zubin next email, they can send me a request.
Jack Murray AT&T: So he coordinates things for the Orion alliance and there'll be making the press release.
John-Paul Lane : Internet
John-Paul Lane : Sorry.
John-Paul Lane : I was gonna say
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): windier, would it be possible to just get a quick viewer view of the press release before records as
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Well,
Jack Murray AT&T: Will
Jack Murray AT&T: I'll get it. And I will
Jack Murray AT&T: Share it on the reflector.
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Okay perfect, so jump on a call across your dance well
John-Paul Lane : Not, not
Jack Murray AT&T: Just be, be aware, it's a it's a statement. It's just a snapshot in process. Right. It's not finalized yet so
Jack Murray AT&T: I'll, I'll say that. I'll call it preliminary because it's never final till just about before it goes out.
Jack Murray AT&T: Just because I'm not editing it, you know, the
Jack Murray AT&T: PR team has some editing associated with it. Just soda. I want to be clear to people. I provided input and I have some, you know, input on it, along with jewelry and and others.
Jack Murray AT&T: But I will share it. The library version. Is that fair
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Great, thanks. Tucker.
John-Paul Lane : Just a quick question then jack if we reach out to the neck with our input. And I guess the deadline is that this Friday that the material should be compiled by so do we.
John-Paul Lane : We should get it to him. I guess ASAP.
Jack Murray AT&T: Yes. I mean, we talked about it a couple weeks back. Yeah, so there is some the 15th is when we're when it, when we tried to be ready.
Jack Murray AT&T: The press release make or the 14th, the press release may come out the 15th are a couple of days.
Jack Murray AT&T: After that, depending on exactly, you know, when they want to push the press release versus
Jack Murray AT&T: You know things happening right so it could happen any time after that.
Jack Murray AT&T: It the, you know, they'll do the they'll, they'll make the final decision with the, you know, input from the EC and others.
Jack Murray AT&T: On the exact it I'll keep you all posted as I as we get closer.
John-Paul Lane : And I guess, as you said, there's a process there that even if we submit information. They may be reformatted or changed or even eliminate or removed and the final press release, but
John-Paul Lane : In terms of getting our input we have it to him by today, tomorrow. Is that good enough for consideration for the
Jack Murray AT&T: Brand. I think if you have it to this week.
Jack Murray AT&T: That would be fun.
John-Paul Lane : Car thanks jack
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay. And then based on the reports of items that will talk about the rest of the meeting today will come into focusing next week on, you know, a final vote to approve the release.
Jack Murray AT&T: And and what you know what the press release says, and and
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, make sure that we're all in line.
Jack Murray AT&T: So,
Jack Murray AT&T: Anything else on votes or approvals.
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay, copyright updates the
Jack Murray AT&T: The updated statement is still in the process of being voted upon
Jack Murray AT&T: I I don't get
Jack Murray AT&T: It at the board level, so I don't get to see much
Jack Murray AT&T: Of the details of the process. I'm
Jack Murray AT&T: Not in that
Jack Murray AT&T: In that email pool, but I know it's it's going on and they talk about
Jack Murray AT&T: I get some information back that they're in process.
Jack Murray AT&T: The board boats. Take a little more usually a little more time to gather
Jack Murray AT&T: The input from everyone, and they try to get everyone to vote.
Jack Murray AT&T: Not just hit the threshold and and close the voting so
Jack Murray AT&T: I hope to hear and I'll get an update and
Jack Murray AT&T: Sorry.
Jack Murray AT&T: I'll get an update, hopefully, as soon as I return. I'm kind of traveling out this week, but
Jack Murray AT&T: Alright.
Jack Murray AT&T: Marketing
Jack Murray AT&T: We already talked about the press release.
Jack Murray AT&T: The virtual exhibition, there's, there's a June update to the virtual expert exposition coming out.
Jack Murray AT&T: If anyone had you know Jerry's been talking about the demos and and submitting them to Paul Smith.
Jack Murray AT&T: From at AMP t
Jack Murray AT&T: If anyone does anyone have any questions on that or open items.
Jack Murray AT&T: All right, we're moving along here, open status.
Jack Murray AT&T: William any upgrade. There's been a bunch of calls and activities in the around test group trying to set up.
Jack Murray AT&T: Kind of a charter around how it in ot will operate in work with different groups, but from a standpoint of. So if you're very interested in that. Hopefully you're participating from a standpoint of the OSC William. Is there anything particular, that we should be focusing on right now.
William Diego (Orange): Hydroxyl regarding the Celtic was making I I have been participating this different meeting around the OT
William Diego (Orange): I've seen that there are many things that we can contribute. But the most important maybe from the
William Diego (Orange): Point of view is the end to end test framework which is linked with this article sweat.
William Diego (Orange): So regarding that I will continue participating this Ott means more to to to contribute. If this is needed by by them regarding do see
William Diego (Orange): The other plans regarding that end to end test framework.
William Diego (Orange): Specification. There are some delay regarding the initial time plan. So they are to provide
William Diego (Orange): The draft version by July 16 so this is
William Diego (Orange): The second training provided training specifications for around. So we have a little bit more planning or to finalize contribution or review in this document, up to now, we have a draft.
William Diego (Orange): Thanks to you Shang, we have
William Diego (Orange): A section or
William Diego (Orange): Yeah section which is dedicated to the OC lean on and and and different project, which is dealing with this end to end test framework or specification. So that's very important for us. And I will. I think that I wish I can share these documents.
William Diego (Orange): To to remembering or review and provide some feedback for or comment to that type of integration.
William Diego (Orange): It's okay for you. Yeah.
Jack Murray AT&T: Thanks for the update, William. Does anyone have any questions for real you.
John-Paul Lane : All right, just a
John-Paul Lane : Comment. I'm not sure if this is the right place to raise it jack. So you can tell me if it's the if we can take it later. But
John-Paul Lane : I guess in on up there is a network slicing use case where they talked about implementing some of the aura network function or simulating some of the or network function analysis, adding
John-Paul Lane : It's been included in this discussion that William is looking at, or is that separate if that's something which is specific purely the owner and the direction they have chosen to go
Jack Murray AT&T: As far as i know i think that's that's a specific
Jack Murray AT&T: Direction for for own app.
Jack Murray AT&T: Now you know i know that the the relationship for own app and over and are for those people who are interested in involved in that quadrant, you know, is a lot of
Jack Murray AT&T: You know,
Jack Murray AT&T: Work together to kind of leverage information from both sides. But when we start talking about the like the OT. One of the biggest issues really comes about in that space is what
Jack Murray AT&T: What can you say is officially sanctioned or ran you know test capabilities certifications certification badge or whatever terminology. They eventually settle on
Jack Murray AT&T: Kinds of statements. So it. A lot of the you know result is doing the work. But when you're done with the work. What does it mean relative to override that doesn't mean that oh nap work can't
Jack Murray AT&T: Be brought into that process so that they
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, can get
Jack Murray AT&T: A you know feedback from the, you know, these sanction groups.
Jack Murray AT&T: And activities. I suspect that it will be something like that where where the own app stuff is just upstream of this test group, and it could come into their
Jack Murray AT&T: But just participating in the own app by itself doesn't mean that you're getting the recognition. Let me I'll use that terminology, cuz I don't want to
Jack Murray AT&T: I know there's lots of discussion about trying to get the terminology and the rules and the things right. And I'm not trying to
Jack Murray AT&T: I'm just waiting. I'm just following at this point there.
Jack Murray AT&T: I think that after that process, you would have to go still go through an OT are in integration test process to kind of get recognized by
John-Paul Lane : That could be some rules or recommendations that all take come out with an order to say what is all around stamp typically want to call it that, and
John-Paul Lane : That would be something they would, they would have to that.
John-Paul Lane : Would have to meet that contract in their own app test environment or they might decide they want to bring something into always see but that's up to I guess it's a decision by decision basis.
Jack Murray AT&T: Yes. So, you know, the goal is to encourage
Jack Murray AT&T: You know all the communities to progress.
Jack Murray AT&T: The principles of over and
Jack Murray AT&T: And then I then the, the, you know, that next step is when around kind of looks at it and says, gives you the thumbs up, thumbs up that
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, we've looked at it and we believe this has, you know, supported our principles so own apps good at putting pulling it together. But I think they would still then need to go to that process to get that sure that that's
John-Paul Lane : Yeah, sure. And as you say there's nothing to prevent own app or any other open source project for that matter from
John-Paul Lane : Testing or creating or on network function simulators are emulators if they want to test the use case towards it. But it doesn't mean that it's officially or and friendly or or or and compliant or or and stand unless they can meet the rules from set down from the old tape.
Jack Murray AT&T: Yeah.
John-Paul Lane : As a matter of understanding
Jack Murray AT&T: That's, that's my interpretation of
Jack Murray AT&T: Anyone else have any thoughts.
Tracy Van Brakle: Yes, this is Tracy, I think what both of you are saying is absolutely consistent with that Ott guidelines and certainly we will we will use these old tickets. I'm most familiar obviously with the one in North America to demonstrate experiment.
Tracy Van Brakle: Own app with around with around software community and that's fine for a Parker a plug said
Tracy Van Brakle: It's kind of what we did in December 2019 the first around talk slugfest we did pull in some own app elements.
Tracy Van Brakle: But nothing. We did blessed or certified anything within own app and saying, if you know around approved or around compliance. That's a separate effort that is evolving as
Tracy Van Brakle: This team is saying, right. So, so we're injecting North for the North America or just we will be using some of the what phone app is doing with slicing
Tracy Van Brakle: And combining that with your overran entities and Orion interface specifications both pre and post spec, but that doesn't mean we're blessing any or certifying any of it. It's just, you know, to demonstrate how things are evolving.
Jack Murray AT&T: Thanks for the update Tracy
Jack Murray AT&T: Alright so well then let's move on to the next item here the TLC. But remember, Martin, you get everything you need for your new repos.
Tracy Van Brakle: I think my
Tracy Van Brakle: Looks okay, Alex. Great.
Tracy Van Brakle: Yeah, I think.
Alex Stancu (highstreet technologies): My thing got everything he needed in the reports are
Jack Murray AT&T: Up there. Okay.
Good, thanks.
Jack Murray AT&T: Alright, so far we can remove that from the list for next week we share the spreadsheet with Jim
Rittwik Jana ATT: Is the cherry release actually and I did share everything
Rittwik Jana ATT: And I asked her to forward it on to changing, I believe.
Rittwik Jana ATT: The partner company that you work with. So basically, incentivizing them to add those you epics for Terry
Jack Murray AT&T: I think this is really important.
Jack Murray AT&T: That this is
Jack Murray AT&T: A big missing piece to progressing the overall
Jack Murray AT&T: Stack associated with what's going, you know, with the overall community.
Jack Murray AT&T: And so I think this is an area that we really need to
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, promote and support and
Jack Murray AT&T: It's certainly a key element in the in the ran environment. So what I'm looking for, you know, progress here in the cherry releases. So that's great news. So
Rittwik Jana ATT: Yeah, and the audio see you and all you folks are
Rittwik Jana ATT: Discussing via email, what should be the minimum configuration that they should all support and agreed to
Rittwik Jana ATT: So that that spreadsheet is being shared around and you know Intel registers. We are we and
Rittwik Jana ATT: Union, they're all you know, providing their minimum capabilities, at least so that they're all on consensus.
Good.
Jack Murray AT&T: That's the key to at least, I believe, making progress as things start to talk to each other that also widens the community input on the on the elements and you know rounds them out to start making starts making them more useful. So I think that's key. Thank you.
Jack Murray AT&T: See attrition ON INSIGHTS so
Jack Murray AT&T: We, you know, we got the report last week from attrition and the leader of the insight team at Linux Foundation.
Jack Murray AT&T: As you know, people who might have gone there saw the, you know, there are some progress, but there was a lot of
Jack Murray AT&T: Issues with unknown attributes.
Jack Murray AT&T: I wanted to thank for taking some time to spend with tuition.
Jack Murray AT&T: And
Jack Murray AT&T: get most of that addressed. So we we've, you know, greatly improved.
Jack Murray AT&T: Those on known items. I don't know if we, I don't know if we've gotten them to zero yet, but it's
Jack Murray AT&T: They're mostly addressed, but there are a couple of issues that I think as a
Jack Murray AT&T: Community that we that we need to just wanted to raise. So in the attribution process. One of the challenges that we observe is I'm going to pick. I'll use at AMP t because I'm from there and I can pick on myself.
Jack Murray AT&T: So one of the things that I had to go through as the at AMP T representative was making a decision because some people
Jack Murray AT&T: Were set up as attributing from different ATT com subdomains and so
Jack Murray AT&T: You, we were seeing that X amount of code came from ATT com and then X amount of code came from international ATT com then some other code came from research.att.com
Jack Murray AT&T: And then another some other code came from another part of att.com so they were broken out in the attributes as separate companies and so
Jack Murray AT&T: You were getting a lot of dinner in the reporting because it's trying to spread it across five at AMP T companies, instead of just at AMP t. And so, you know, several the other companies have a similar kind of structure where
Jack Murray AT&T: So,
Jack Murray AT&T: Even though I can see it. And I know that they all kind of come from Nokia, but they were set up that way are from Erickson or from other
Jack Murray AT&T: Aspects, so we take to make it more useful. I would suggest that, as a company, you think about if people are contributing from different domains. And if you want to unify that around that domain, please reach out to me and 14 so that we can
Jack Murray AT&T: Far he has, it has some
Jack Murray AT&T: Can work with Linux Foundation to get the attribute thing more you know clarified, I just, I didn't want to make changes for other companies.
Jack Murray AT&T: It's one thing when they weren't attribute it but if they're already attribute it in there divided up I would like
Jack Murray AT&T: The companies to
Jack Murray AT&T: Kind of
Jack Murray AT&T: Get involved in that process for making that decision.
Jack Murray AT&T: And now with that. What you'll see is when you go there. The information starts to look
Jack Murray AT&T: A lot more broken down by companies seems to make a little more sense. But you have to be careful what window of time you're looking at the project. Obviously, if you look at
Jack Murray AT&T: The entire two year window that we have for really code contribution at this point in time, you'll see one spread. But if you
Jack Murray AT&T: If you divide it up, saying the last 60 days. You see what code came in very recently at it. And so the reports will be very different. So just be aware of what you're asking for in terms of when you interpret the data.
Jack Murray AT&T: Any, any questions on that.
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay.
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Jack. Can I ask. Just a quick question, or maybe
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Raise a comment. I don't know if other people might want to discuss it.
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Afterwards, but would it be possible for you know there are some projects that are very cross cutting and, for example, example the documentation in the tests with those kind of projects where a lot of the content is is you know is driven by your
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Is driven by Dr. Projects like for instance if I give an example for non real time Rick project we make lots of changes we get into, for instance, the inch step.
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Project for being able to deploy Monza. And again, subjects making changes and to enter into the darker projects or whatever would be impossible to tag some of those changes as being relevant to certain topics or something just to be able to get a consolidated view and
Jack Murray AT&T: Yes, I'm certainly open to
Jack Murray AT&T: Any of those kinds of discussions.
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, I don't, I don't want to say yes or no to anything where you know without a little more
Jack Murray AT&T: You know discussion and thought on it, but certainly we can review how that is doing so for example.
Jack Murray AT&T: Originally they only had the information by each sub project, which, you know, made it very difficult to see how overall contributions were going and so we got them to
Jack Murray AT&T: Kind of do that summary.
Jack Murray AT&T: Section on it. So there is there is the opportunity. I find that white now while they're
Jack Murray AT&T: You know they're they're very active in it is a good time to try to get some of these items addressed. So if you've gotten ideas and and suggestions we can carve out
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, we can carve out some time to talk about it. And, you know, work with tuition and team to to get a request ID to address them.
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay.
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Thank you. It's just to make sure that, for instance, the I know that the infrastructure teams and the documentation teams make a lot of changes in because as well like Fritz's Indian violence in the documentation, just to make sure that everyone gets
John Keeney (Ericsson OSC): Credit for the work that they're doing.
Jack Murray AT&T: Right. Yes.
Jack Murray AT&T: Yeah, and do be aware that if you look at only the code repos. You'll see one set of contribution. But if you look at, for example,
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Documentation other things that
Jack Murray AT&T: Include the confluence changes, you'll see a different
Jack Murray AT&T: Skew on the contributions. So there is there is some ability to look at some of that and it may, you know it.
Jack Murray AT&T: It is separate. Though you by looking at code, you don't get the data included from some of the confluence and and website and and other things. But there is a way to look at that.
They're
All right.
Jack Murray AT&T: PTS provide right
So,
Jack Murray AT&T: I will send that that out.
Jack Murray AT&T: I only got it this morning. I'll take a look at it later and get and put it on the reflector.
Jack Murray AT&T: For what the what's been written. I said, I haven't even written ready the latest update yet.
Jack Murray AT&T: Alright, starting on
Jack Murray AT&T: Moving on any other open items are things that we've missed
Matti Hiltunen: And check. I have a question about that bullets. I was under the impression that chinnery was collecting them and I tempted to send mine to him yesterday, but my email bounced. So what was the process of collecting these sentences.
Jack Murray AT&T: Just copy him to me to please
Matti Hiltunen: OK, I will. I thought that you were out this week, so I didn't want to bother you.
Jack Murray AT&T: Yeah, I'm
Jack Murray AT&T: Supposed to be out but I'm you know this stuff. Nothing ever sleeps. So I'm carve it out a couple little problems, but I appreciate the thought.
Matti Hiltunen: Okay, I'll send it again to seize NCC you
Right.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Just checking if every PTO got that request or
Rittwik Jana ATT: I also got a question is I summarized what I think was the bronze highlights
Rittwik Jana ATT: I copied you jack
Rittwik Jana ATT: I saw that, you know, but
Rittwik Jana ATT: Every detail. Got it, then maybe we should think of first
Jack Murray AT&T: Right, and then know that, but it should sync up by giving us our, you know, updating our information for the bronze release you know that each ppl puts together. Yep.
Rittwik Jana ATT: One.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Suggestion maybe to put that highlight or the set of bullet items that you think, have you ever achieved up on the wiki so that it's, you know, visible to everybody and then collecting it and aggregating is easy.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Right, instead of
Rittwik Jana ATT: Via emails.
Matti Hiltunen: Or what would be a good place play that on
Rittwik Jana ATT: Put it on your recap wiki page.
Rittwik Jana ATT: And put it on near real time.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Right on the front page you like
Okay.
Jack Murray AT&T: It's there and capture
Jack Murray AT&T: For anyone that visits.
Jack Murray AT&T: It as well. I think that's a good
Jack Murray AT&T: Guidance.
Thoralf Czichy (Nokia): While we do have the just Bronx release page.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): But
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Why not put it there.
Jack Murray AT&T: Yes. All right.
Jack Murray AT&T: Under releases.
Jack Murray AT&T: Rounds release.
Jack Murray AT&T: Yeah so update each everybody should have a table entry in here on the unit and so that should be
Jack Murray AT&T: Updated
Jack Murray AT&T: That that that probably would be the best place for this and then we can just. We'll put a link to it.
Jack Murray AT&T: On the other main page. So without duplicating
Matti Hiltunen: Okay, that
Jack Murray AT&T: Sounds sounds good.
Jack Murray AT&T: Thank you try to do that this week.
Jack Murray AT&T: All right, where
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): We're really at
Jack Murray AT&T: You know the bronze timeline.
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, we're really at the end here, right. It's really all about the integration and test report and documentation at this stage.
Jack Murray AT&T: So the I'll go to wishing and get an update from the integration tests.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Yes, jack. Thanks.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): So for integration and test we've been
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Trying to integrate and then test against the our SEC defined flows for for the bronze, really. So, so far we have the traffic steering flow has been completely tested in successful
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Know that this is the face and delivery. So for the maintenance released and the plan is to include the KPI module as well. Currently it's just for the traffic staring up and up drivers.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): And a woman mediators, though the policy will come from a one to that flow has been has been completely tested. Now the for the
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): The A one A one flow under the house check
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): All the segments have been tested individually. Now we just need to find know run to to have everything trigger different OTS and all the way down.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): The
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): couple notes for for this is the hollow word X app is not working yet. So currently we're using classic steering. For this purpose, but I think we're pretty close for using the Hello World at as
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Aspect, the only our SEC page.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): In addition, the near real time Rick and OD you the audio hi hard. They are able to successfully establish he to communication. So,
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): He to the FTP connection is good. And then he to step it set up a handshake is done. So as far as house check that part is good. Now for the old one alarm flow. So, under the house check on the, it seems that we have
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Some
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Model misalignments so what the near real time re implemented and what the OEM uses that in terms of alarm model, they are different. I do not know whether we can close this gap within this release.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): I think what I'll do is we'll set up a meeting with the PTS of both oh, am in the near real time Rick and we'll talk. And let's see if
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): We can close this gap if do. If so, then how long that's going to take
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Yeah, I don't know. I know usually sort of has another meeting and he will not be able to join the nine to 10 the integration meeting. Otherwise, we probably but today also today Martin's not available, so I don't know when we can accomplish that. Well, I guess.
Jack Murray AT&T: Was saying the question I have is, do we understand the gap why it happened and how do we are you're working to close it, but it, how do we how do we address this moving forward. Is this just
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, improve communications, or is this a change in the Orion specification or is this like an area that we need to focus on more going forward.
Jack Murray AT&T: To get clarification on these topics so that all the teams are working with on their compatibility
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Yes, thank you for bringing that up. Yes. So I've used this as to
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): There's a short term objective, which is see exactly how large the gap or the misalignment is and whether it's possible to close.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Within the next week or within the maintenance release for the longer term during the testing integration and testing phase, we do see that the pairwise testing between
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Different projects has been very minimal.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): So I don't know whether
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): We're in the cherry release. We definitely should improve that. First is in the design and architecture phase, the PTS if you know somebody can own
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): And each end to end flow and make sure that all the projects and components involved in this flow.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): That are compatible with each other right and not just a high level agreement at the beginning of the project, but it really follows through all the way to the elite to the API definition face development and definition development right
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): That, that seems to be a
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): For this really not enough has happened in that direction. So part of reason we're facing this problem right now it to the right, the very end of the release and we're catching that
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): So, and the two is we should really start testing the pairwise testing and inter component testing earlier than
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Than the last during the last integration and testing phase, understand that.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Many of the components. They are really delivered towards the end of the release cycle and even before that we couldn't do much of testing, however.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): It will be really great at least the developers or the owners of those inter communication communicating components, they can start those type of
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): First communication or even with some simulation is the testing as early as possible as the Orion.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): See is growing bigger and the components we have more component and the more complex component later wise things will become even more important. So I would really wish to see something happening in the cherry released for for that that badness well
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Jack I don't know the answer to your question.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Well,
Jack Murray AT&T: That's clearly
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, a good part of it, but we'll continuing, you know, continue to learn from this and you know get better as we move forward.
Jack Murray AT&T: Anything else you wanted to bring up blushing.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Yes, so in terms
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Of scheduling. We have to the end of next week right that the current yeah that's currently released calendar.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): So, and the go no go vote will happen next Wednesday.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Also next week, we have the virtual face to face as well.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): I mean, there are a lot of miscellaneous need to happen, doing the final releasing of the code for example the projects they they need to
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Branch of the code and release the containers and the documentation finalizing their release notes and any other documentation of those miscellaneous so
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Is it
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Well, I
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Will try our best to try to target this deadline. But I think there is a possibility that we may need some extension to cover the final release loose and items, so to speak. I don't know how we want to accommodate that or will decide next week.
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): So I'd like to ask a QC decision or recommendation and
Jack Murray AT&T: So for the other TLC members.
Jack Murray AT&T: How do we want to handle
Jack Murray AT&T: The fact that we might not if, if we're not fully ready by
Jack Murray AT&T: The 14th or next week's vote.
Jack Murray AT&T: We may need to slip a week.
Jack Murray AT&T: Any input from anyone.
Jack Murray AT&T: I think it affects kind of the press release. And you know what, when the codes available.
Jack Murray AT&T: I think
Jack Murray AT&T: It's important that when when we tell when once we have the press release that things are ready for people to come and poke at it.
Jack Murray AT&T: I think that's important. So I really think the TLC members should talk with the people who are participating
Jack Murray AT&T: That the teams, try to focus. These next
Lusheng Ji (AT&T): Couple of weeks on
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, getting these items address I know everyone's busy, but this is the kind of crunch time and and
Jack Murray AT&T: Look forward.
Jack Murray AT&T: To this, but be aware that there might be a guess. The Zynga singling there might be a slip in the schedule of a week or two at this point to pull everything together.
Jack Murray AT&T: Any comments or anyone
Rittwik Jana ATT: I think you've completed probably 90% some tests, right, I mean the incompatibilities you can discuss and push to maintenance release, but
Rittwik Jana ATT: Even that you've completed the health check the traffic steering and one use cases, there are no other use cases that have not been tested right you found some gaps which is good. You found some tests that have success successfully be innovative.
Rittwik Jana ATT: You know, you're very, very close to you should release it.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Delay because you have other implications, like what Jackie's a press release.
Rittwik Jana ATT: Things like that. But the 10% can be pushed to maintenance release.
Rittwik Jana ATT: my two cents.
Okay.
Jack Murray AT&T: We'll, we'll continue this discussion based on the details for next week's Wednesday meeting, but be ready for
Jack Murray AT&T: You know,
Jack Murray AT&T: The details of making that call next week. The teams, please spend the time support regime. Let's see how far we can get to that I so let's look. Let's turn I want to turn it over to Vishnu. He wanted to talk a little bit about
Jack Murray AT&T: The activities that are we're, we're getting close to the end. I thought it was good. We were going to get done to this point a little sooner but
Jack Murray AT&T: Vishnu. Why don't you go ahead, do you have, do you need to share something on the screen.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Yes, thank you. Could you please give me a screen.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Alright, I have three slides, I will take five minutes. And this is an overview about
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): To AI ML in five, the challenge.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): This is an invitation to collaborate
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): My name is visual. I'm a consultant with it focus group measuring in 5G
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): We do. We have a little bit of background with or and we discussed we exchanged a couple of liaisons I am not going into details of what we discussed
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): But these are technical liaison statements I edited this word. I don't want to go into details. The links are right here.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): So with that background. We also discussed over email some concrete proposers which we are going to discuss right here or. So what is the main message today, I do has launched the AI ML in five, the challenge. The link is right here in case you want to access it.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): We request or NSC to consider collaborating for one of the tracks. It is called enabler track in the challenge to provide a problem statement.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): What do I mean by all this isn't the next slide. So we'll come to that in a bit. We want to work with you for providing an opportunity for our participants to develop X apps which can integrate AI ML in five see
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): What am I not talking about is right here. This is not a request for data. This is not a request for particular features. So if you think that we will do something for the release that is not true.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): This is not a product they commit code. This is not a full fledged open source product. But, however, however, you are free to discuss with the authors later after the challenge to derive some secret. If that's what you want.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): And then what is it you may ask me today it is here at this is the intention behind this proposal ideal and
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Also disappear. A standard a standard work that is to create the platform.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Is not me. Okay.
Jack Murray AT&T: Please go on mute. If you're on the background. Sorry.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Thank you. So we are trying to create a platform to solve our 11 problems using standard approaches and open source DVR in that business itself, rather than recreating specifications. We also do please standard to reset.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): And to provide problem statements as I told you just now, and to to generate best practices guidelines sharing of experiences collaboration with open source frameworks, a year, you're not the only open source framework that we talked to, we are already and
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Partnering with the Linux Foundation API for promoting this as well as using some of the tool sets.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): To provide our feedback to collaborators. This is important for us to, to, to give feedback and give a closed loop view of where everything stands with respect to it specifications.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): There are some long term goals which we can talk about later, and who are participating. It's open to pretty much everybody. Our Member States of it. That includes pretty much in the entire world. We are also talking or judges panel. This is the International nominees a mean globe, you
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Nominees from you if you want
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): That is not
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): A license the code that we can discuss later that it may be compliant to
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Or Annecy licensing guidelines Fei and Indian men is the animated his body in Singapore. They are all promo partners Cisco is our sponsor currently these numbers are old, we have hundred pluses that participants 25 plus countries and most of them are Academy
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): You may ask me what is exactly going to happen, say this, there is a sequence diagram is a call flow on the right side you can see here the let's start right right downwards or an AC and it may work together to review problem statement publish it.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Set up a sandbox with the simulators, etc. We may get submissions of the tested, except we may accept two submissions score them evaluate them, etc.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Publish some Venus and maybe you may want to give some T shirts. And then finally, when presentations may happen and it will take care of those prizes.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): So finally, we may do some post processing and maybe some next year planning that falls under the category of best practices and guidelines.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): And here is what the ask is, at first, we require a problem statement which well reflexive philosophy of you guys do to respect to accept a Malik cetera et cetera, I discussed with the rhetoric rhetoric.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Do plans which are right here. HE CAN HE CAN DESCRIBE better than I do. But basically, it can involve developing many accepts on different use case categories or one vertical approach with pick one use case for bellies.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): You may want to put a coordinator which who can work with me work with ideal to to run this talents, along with. There are approximately 10 people already across the world, who is doing this for us right now, you may want to put together a couple of guys
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Not to do the review panel to score the results a GitHub repo. I mean, I can do it. But if you if you want
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): To host it. You're most welcome to do it.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Some tool sets and this is red. Because when I say discussed with the trick.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): We may need to set up some simulators. For example, we have a maybe. Maybe, I don't know.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): I'm not the expert, but it made can be used as to to test these incoming submissions. And finally, you may want to give some prizes. If you don't
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): We will do it in the final round fine after the final Venus. And so we request your support in future what my door. What my doll is lead up to is right here.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): You know, it was in discussions is set up interoperable end to end pipeline, we call it sandbox basically where all these AI ML activities can be
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Hosted tool sets data etc can be hosted in a common shared shared open manner we plan to generate study reports pretty standard.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Record for collaboration and there is a figure on the right side, which talks about the overall environment very, very simplified figure
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): It basically talks about a sandbox some orchestration frameworks apps like you we I mean we're on sex apps. I mean, and there are networks, which we will host in this AI sandbox. So that's it. Thank you. Questions.
Jack Murray AT&T: So anyone any anyone have any questions.
Jack Murray AT&T: You're ultimately. What's the dates, where we have to get back to you and talk to you by
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Yesterday. No, no, I, what I mean to say is
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Second week is a good bit for us, you know, around 10 or 15 is a good date for us.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): If you want if you. I mean, I understand there is a discussion required. You can tell me this date is for the current window.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): We would like collaboration in the current window in case you feel that there is more delay and your release with your releases coming up. I mean, I just heard. So if you need to come in the next window that will be September, but that we can discuss later right now.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): mid June I can buy you at another week. Probably third week of June.
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay. Is there anyone here who, you know, I'd like to get a couple of people who would like to
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, follow up on this and make you know sorted out, make a recommendation. Is there anybody who would like to get involved from
Jack Murray AT&T: Around se
Matti Hiltunen: Since this is related to accept I would of course be interested
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay, so
Rittwik Jana ATT: I've been speaking traditional
John-Paul Lane : Is just a very quick question. And is it only related to x apps or is there is an open to other
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Holes absolutely open you can you can please please email me a trick has my contact
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): I i mean i picked the except because that seems to be the logical one. I am really not the expert but logically it was the easiest one for me to relate. But if you think there are other opportunities. Please. Please.
David Kinsey (AT&T): Feel good be in our app as well. Right.
John-Paul Lane : Possibly
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): True.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Yes, I
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Don't know what that is, but yes.
David Kinsey (AT&T): In the non real time, Rick.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): That explains it is. Thank you.
Jack Murray AT&T: So the. Is there any other representative. I mean, obviously at AMP t is expressed some interest. Is there anyone else who would like to
Jack Murray AT&T: You know, get involved, you know, looking for
Jack Murray AT&T: One or two other companies who know commitment, but at least would like to
Jack Murray AT&T: Discuss it
John-Paul Lane : This is jump on here. I think we'd like to know more. I guess it's a very tight timeline that June timeframe, but we'd like to know more, for sure.
Okay.
Thoralf Czichy (Nokia): Oh, we have that available anywhere.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): So I can, I can send it
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): To this group or Eric has
Posted
Jack Murray AT&T: Yeah, if you could post it, and then week if you could send out a
Jack Murray AT&T: Nice thing to the mailing list and then gather up the people who are interested
Jack Murray AT&T: To have a discussion. There's no commitment at this point I'm I am concerned as well about such a short June timeline, but you also mentioned something might be available in September.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): Yes.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): That's what I was going to clarify that. I think that this kind of discussion. I am doing with the many, many, many partners, to be frank, and I would not worry about timeline, because this is a rolling window for us.
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): It would help us immensely if you if you start discussing right now and no commitments are expected. Of course, if you are planning to come in, in, in this window, then this is
Vishnu (ITU-T FG ML5G): A time lag. But otherwise, my, my suggestion is to start discussing and we can we can work on timelines. This is a rolling window that would be
Thoralf Czichy (Nokia): Okay, that we can we can you also include me in the discussion.
Yeah.
Rittwik Jana ATT: To the White Snake.
Thoralf Czichy (Nokia): Yeah, okay.
Jack Murray AT&T: This is opportunity for one of the other TLC members to kind of take lead on it. If there's interest, eventually. All right, we're running a little over
Jack Murray AT&T: I know there's a lot going on.
Jack Murray AT&T: So I appreciate everybody's
Jack Murray AT&T: Input
Jack Murray AT&T: The
Jack Murray AT&T: Any, any other business today for the you know at this point. If not, I'll turn it over, you know, we'll close out the meeting. And we'll turn it over to losing
Jack Murray AT&T: Okay, then we'll close the meeting. Thank you everyone for today, we're getting very close for bronze. It's very important. So thank you all for your time.
Jack Murray AT&T: And wishing all